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Yo yo; Zaraki Kenpachi
Topic Started: 6 Apr 2011, 00:40 (1,763 Views)
Cind
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So... you do agree with me that donating has nothing to do with "no-life"?
Just for you to realise, I'm not asking for a "You are right" answer.


Yeah I do agree, as long as you dont donate whole salary each month ;)

Just for you to realise, you asked for "you are right" or "you are wrong" answer, because it was yes/no question :)

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i didnt write it clearly enough is allllllll, read about determinism (not fatalism) and youll understand.


I did read about determinism, radical determinism says there is NO free will at all, but moderate determinism says there is free will but affected by past states.

Which, in fact, is nothing new. That's how psychology works
E.g: when you were a kid and touched fire, you were seared. So next time when you saw fire, you didnt try to touch it, because you are affected by past experiences.


Still I dont see how you created argument that you don't have free will so god doesnt exist.

I'm an atheist, but I hate when people try to deny Gods existence with lame arguments. Let people believe.
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Cind,Apr 13 2011
03:05 PM
I'm an atheist, but I hate when people try to deny Gods existence with lame arguments.

;o thats nice
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forum_raT
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it's nice in a way, but it's also not nice to see people waste their lives imo. also most churches are fucked up in their own way.

@free will/omniscience, well it's logically impossible. if "god" knows what you're going to do and where you will "end-up" then surely your choices and fate are already determined. an all-knowing, all-powerful being could not create you, know where you will go (heaven/hell) but also give you free will. determinism refers to the illusion of choice (or the illusion of free will).


but agree to disagree because i know better to get into an arguement on tibia forum these days ;P
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07:37 PM
@free will/omniscience, well it's logically impossible. if "god" knows what you're going to do and where you will "end-up" then surely your choices and fate are already determined. an all-knowing, all-powerful being could not create you, know where you will go (heaven/hell) but also give you free will. determinism refers to the illusion of choice (or the illusion of free will).

lack of knowledge. :P seriously
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Yeah I do agree, as long as you dont donate whole salary each month

It's impossible to donate my whole salary, that's really impossible, believe me.
But the point is, even if I do, it would still be my busisness and nobody elses..
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forum_raT,Apr 13 2011
07:37 PM
@free will/omniscience, well it's logically impossible. if "god" knows what you're going to do and where you will "end-up" then surely your choices and fate are already determined. an all-knowing, all-powerful being could not create you, know where you will go (heaven/hell) but also give you free will. determinism refers to the illusion of choice (or the illusion of free will).

lack of knowledge. :P seriously

just saying "lack of knowledge" and nothing else won't win u any arguement.. i know for a fact i'm not wrong in bringing up the point, maybe in your opinion the point is incorrect, is what u should say o.O
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Cind
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08:37 PM
it's nice in a way, but it's also not nice to see people waste their lives imo. also most churches are fucked up in their own way.

@free will/omniscience, well it's logically impossible. if "god" knows what you're going to do and where you will "end-up" then surely your choices and fate are already determined. an all-knowing, all-powerful being could not create you, know where you will go (heaven/hell) but also give you free will. determinism refers to the illusion of choice (or the illusion of free will).


but agree to disagree because i know better to get into an arguement on tibia forum these days ;P

If there is war, you see all those people killed - is it wrong to believe in God to not lose your mind?
If you got cancer, is it wrong to believe in God? Actually a lot of people got cured out of cancer because of FAITH.

Religion is bad if you are taking it to extreme (like muslims)
But every, EVERY religion is teaching about love and all other good feeling, which is really good.

If God KNOWS that you will go that path, it doesnt mean that he leads you to this way. I know that Phomp will still play tibia, it doesnt mean that he has no free-will :)
no offence mate :P
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none taken, but i dont think you can use examples of such trivial everyday things in this case.

anyway about your "if god knows you'll take this path." well, if god knows you'll take that path then surely you're determined to take that path (it's "fate"). it's different to predicting the weather or predicting daedalus will msg u with some irl threat on your life if u pvp on a character lvl 120 without skull. =D

all depends on your point of view i guess, which is why philosophy is practically useless. you can never prove something with an arguement in my eyes (you need evidence).
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To be honest, if it comes to God and faith sorta things, we don't really know what's true.
I mean, Pharrell, another rl and I once been drinking 3 different bottles: Sambuca, Blue Curacao and Coebergh.
For people who are familair with these drinks, know how strong these are.
We had no clue about drinking, we just kept on drinking and thought we would feel it when we had enough.
All bottles got empty, just a tiny bit of Sambuca was left, it was sick.
The rl friend's mother had to bring me home, I couldn't walk anymore and I saw everything spinning, I knew it was bad news.
That night I kept on shitting myself, puking, the whole deal. I stopped breathing twice that night.
My mother was recording it with her phone, cause she knows I would never believe her since she is always over-protective about Phearny and me.
If I would have happened the third time (stop breathing) my mother would've called an ambulance to pump my stumic empty.
Luckely it didn't happen, but I couldn't move for 3 days. I repeat, I could not MOVE.
It was like I was in a coma but awake, it was so scary, even now when Im writing this it still scares me.
4 Days later, when I was able to move and walk. (and shit by myself) She let me hear me stop breathing that she recorded.
I was crying when I heard it. I was so thankfull to be alive and at the same time so scared to go to sleep again.
I haven't slept for a week, untill I actually just fell asleep without realizing it.
I'm telling you, I was once treatened with a knife, beaten up twice in my life by 10 people, but NOTHING scared me as much as this.

There is only one positive thing about this, and that is that I feel exactly when I drink the same alcohol whole night when I have to stop, and then I really do stop also.

There is nothing tough or something about this, I don't wish this to anyone to happen.
Oh yeah, it was about God though. :P
I do believe in God, though I never really had a sign that God helped me, beside this.
But I am completely convinced that God has helped me survive this.
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